Cassidy Magill Evans shares her story about her organ transplant (at age 29), what goes through one’s mind when life support is looming near, the value of family, the benefits of competent and caring medical professionals, and the impact of her grandmother, the late Allene Magill. Cassidy’s heartfelt commentary about her medical journey is informative and inspiring, including her request for listeners to consider the life-changing effects of organ donation. A great episode to share with others.
SHOW NOTES
2:25 – heart transplant at age 29, no previous cardiac issues
3:00 – post-partum cardiomyopathy
3:30 – placed on a Life Vest and a low ejection fraction
4:30 – a 49-day stay in the hospital
5:15 – the fear of leaving one’s children behind, without a mom
6:15 – emergency room, to a two-week stay, to “we’ve done all we can for you”
7:00 – options and prognosis regarding Cassidy’s heart
8:30 – praying and deciding to move forward with a heart transplant
9:45 – ECMO
10:15 – shifting one’s perspective during and after a heart transplant
11:00 – Cassidy’s mom, cardiomyopathy, and her heart transplant months after Cassidy’s
12:00 – the wait for a heart, and testing for the best match, for improved outcomes
13:00 – antibodies after pregnancy can affect transplant success
14:20 – a ten-hour surgery
14:50 – the new heart needs to wake up
16:00 – the importance of family and a support system
17:30 –Dr. Allene Magill, an influential leader in education, and in Cassidy’s life
19:00 – Cassidy’s decision to change her career path change
21:00 – Shifting plans to find the “sweet spot” for one’s work
22:30 – teaching and learning, equal importance
23:00 – organ donors changes lives and save lives
25:00 – donor family and recipient interaction
25:30 – a donor’s organ can be classified as high-risk
26:00 – How does life change when you have someone else’s heart replace your own?
27:15 – Piedmont Cartersville, Piedmont Atlanta, Samsky Heart Failure Clinic
28:00 – great teachers…
29:15 – Matt Fox, Becky Reynolds
30:00 – Cassidy’s closing comments
LINKS
LifeVestTM - Cleveland Clinic page
Organ Donation - American Society of Transplantation
David Reynolds (00:11):
What matters most in learning the challenge, the thrill, the benefits, interacting with other people or something else entirely. What is the connection between leading and learning? Does change drive learning or does learning drive change? What's more important teaching or learning? Is everyone a leader, a learner, a teacher want answers? Listen in as we address these intriguing issues through commentary and with guests who share their thinking and tell us their stories, lead, learn, change.
Cassidy Magill Evans (00:56):
However, if I would've refused to accept that heart that's considered high risk. There's a possibility that I may not have gotten an offer for another one. So I was very terrified that something was going to happen to me that they weren't going to have a mom that, sorry, that's emotional. I was like, okay, we're just going to do whatever we have to do because they were basically my driving force. I'm like, I know that I have to do this because of them. My mom found out when I was in Piedmont Cartersville that she had two leaking valves in her heart and that she too was going to need a heart transplant. There's over a hundred thousand people who are waiting on a transplant of some sort and by someone deciding to be an organ donor, they can save multiple lives.
David Reynolds (01:52):
Today's guest on Lead Learn Change is Cassidy Evans. Cassidy, thanks for taking your time to speak with me today.
Cassidy Magill Evans (01:59):
Thank you for having me.
David Reynolds (02:00):
Cassidy Evans is a mom, wife, Georgia educator and a heart transplant patient. There are many ways this conversation could unfold, so let's jump right in and see where it takes us. Cassidy. Now the listeners know you are a heart transplant recipient and you're quite young. You can share your age if you like. When did this life changing event occur and how did you find out it was necessary?
Cassidy Magill Evans (02:27):
I'm now 30 years old. I just turned 30 about two months ago. Earlier this year, about six months ago when I was 29, I had a heart transplant and never had any heart issues before giving birth to my daughter. So my daughter was born in March and after she was born I started experiencing some symptoms. I had swelling in my feet, severe shortness of breath. I couldn't walk from my living room to the kitchen without laying on the counter when I got there. So I ended up going to the emergency room. The doctor told me to go, and so I went to the emergency room and they pretty quickly diagnosed me with postpartum cardiomyopathy. Previously, like I said, I've never had any heart issues, never knew I had heart problems, never any palpitations, nothing like that. So I was in the hospital a couple of days, about four days I believe, and they sent me home on a life vest, which is an external heart defibrillator. So if I were to go into cardiac arrest or have a cardiac episode, it would shock me and it would also alert 9 1 1 and dispatch emergency services to my location.
David Reynolds (03:33):
So you knew that going into cardiac arrest was something that could just happen at any time at that point?
Cassidy Magill Evans (03:42):
Yeah, at that point they diagnosed me with, so your ejection fraction is how much blood that your heart pumps out of your body or out of your heart. So my ejection fraction was 10 to 15% and a normal person's is about 65%. So I knew then that it was pretty serious and I was pretty scared, but they were hopeful With postpartum cardiomyopathy, they're hopeful that you'll recover with medication and treatment and things and get your ejection fraction back up.
David Reynolds (04:14):
Were you teaching at this time?
Cassidy Magill Evans (04:17):
I was actually on maternity leave, so I had had my daughter in March. I had planned to go back about the second week of May, but actually the day that I was having my heart transplant was the week that I was supposed to go back to work. Obviously I wasn't back at work. I was in the hospital for 49 days during all of this.
David Reynolds (04:37):
That sounds like a really, really long time and it also seems incredibly short in one way, your heart was removed and you had a new heart put in and it wasn't even 50 days. 49 days is a long time. When you're there and your family's waiting and you're dealing with it. It's also quite phenomenal that it was only 49 days. How did you process what you knew? You've got this diagnosis and this prognosis that came literally out of nowhere. What kind of thoughts went through your mind? What was the focus of your thinking after you got this news from your physicians?
Cassidy Magill Evans (05:18):
Well, I was extremely terrified because I just had a baby and I also had a 3-year-old, so I was very terrified that something was going to happen to me that they weren't going to have a mom that, sorry, that's emotional. I was like, okay, we're just going to do whatever we have to do because they were basically my driving force. I'm like, I know that I have to do this because of them.
David Reynolds (05:44):
You said earlier that there's great hope, possibly a good optimism that this might actually resolve itself and the numbers come back where they're supposed to be. At what point did you find out this isn't going the way we want it to go and now they're telling me I have to have a heart transplant?
Cassidy Magill Evans (06:01):
When I got home with the life vest, I was home for about three weeks, just doing the best that I could with my newborn and my 3-year-old. Thankfully, my husband was home and I had family, my mom and stuff that was helping me adjust. I was taking medications and things like that. About three weeks into that, my blood pressure got severely low where I was having a hard time staying awake. Just was super exhausted all the time, so they told me to go back to the emergency room because they thought something else could be wrong. I went to the emergency room and basically I thought I was going to the emergency rooms to get fluids because that's what they told me that I needed. Unfortunately, they admitted me and I was in Piedmont Cartersville for a week. After a week there, they said, this isn't looking good. We've done basically all we can do for you here. You're going to need to go to Atlanta. At that point, they weren't really talking about heart transplant, but we knew that I was having major heart issues and so we thought that that could be a possibility just because my ejection fraction was just getting lower and lower and lower, and so there was nothing that they could really do at that moment.
David Reynolds (07:11):
When you got to Atlanta, saw a new team of physicians and support staff, when did they say to you, we need to take a different course of action?
Cassidy Magill Evans (07:22):
Pretty soon after getting there, they were like, okay, these are your options. They basically were very black and white. This is it. They said you could go the heart transplant route, you could go the LVAD route, so they tried different medications. Basically the medications, they call them jet fuel for your heart. They basically was like, you're on jet fuel right now.
David Reynolds (07:44):
What's that second one that LVAD?
Cassidy Magill Evans (07:47):
It goes into your heart and it's basically an external heart pump with an LVAD. They say that you don't have a heartbeat, which is kind of wild to think about because it's external. It goes into your heart. You wear a battery pack around your waist. It would make life very difficult with two young children. I do know a lady who had an LVAD and she was a little bit older than I, so it was easier for her. It's still not an ideal situation. It's basically a short-term plan for a heart transplant.
David Reynolds (08:21):
Was it your decision to say, I want to go the heart transplant route?
Cassidy Magill Evans (08:26):
It was, my family and I, we talked about it, prayed about it, sought advice from the medical team, what they thought was best. One of the doctors was finally, if it was my wife, we had two small children. He was like, I would say heart transplant. He was just thinking about quality of life for the age that I am and what was going to be best for that.
David Reynolds (08:49):
What did they say to you about how long you might have to wait for a donor heart?
Cassidy Magill Evans (08:54):
I not aware of this. I thought there was one master list for everybody. It's basically different stages of people who like more severe cases and then people who could wait at home for a transplant and because I was in the hospital and they couldn't send me home on the medications that I was on, it moved me higher up the list, so this is like six stages With the medication I was on, I was on stage three, which stage one is the most critical. I was level three and then they ended up while I was there having to put me on a heart balloon pump which goes into your leg and it goes up into your heart and it's basically a balloon that's inflating and deflating and pumping your heart for you. I was on that heart balloon pump about a week and then over the weekend, that weekend after I got it, my numbers were looking terrible. They weren't looking good. I was just declining and so that Monday they decided to put me on ECMO, which ECMO is basically life support. I didn't know that at the time. It pumps your blood out of your body into a machine and then back into your body. It's circulating your blood for you.
David Reynolds (10:04):
Your health actually didn't stabilize. It really degraded while you're awaiting, so did that waiting and being aware of the numbers and the situation, did that change you in any way?
Cassidy Magill Evans (10:17):
Yes. I think this whole situation, this whole process has definitely changed my perspective on things. I'm so much more appreciative of the small things people say You appreciate your family, of course you're thankful for your family. I really am thankful for my family. Sorry. My mom also has heart issues and through all of this she stayed at the hospital with me for a long time. Really almost every night. My husband was coming home and staying with the kids trying to keep it normal for my 3-year-old because the newborn didn't know, but my 3-year-old was very aware of what was happening that mommy wasn't home and so my mom would stay with me a lot. Well, I didn't know this at the time, but my mom has had cardiomyopathy for 25 years, which is the same diagnosis that I got. She got diagnosed when I was five years old and my mom found out when I was in Piedmont Cartersville that she had two leaking valves in her heart and that she too was going to need a heart transplant.
Cassidy Magill Evans (11:21):
They didn't tell me that at the time, but she's been in declining for a while, several years and we knew that that was the next step for her. They didn't tell me that while I was in the hospital of course, but she still stayed with me even though she knew that she was going to have to go through the same exact thing. I had my heart transplant in May and she actually had her heart transplant in August of this year.
David Reynolds (11:44):
When did she tell you she had to have one?
Cassidy Magill Evans (11:47):
It wasn't until after I was home. I got home Memorial Day weekend and she told me after the fact like a week or two later.
David Reynolds (11:55):
How long did you wait for your heart?
Cassidy Magill Evans (11:58):
I officially got put on the heart transplant list, I think it was a Friday. Then that following Monday is when they put me on the balloon pump, so since they put me on the balloon pump, that moved my status up to a level two and then the following week I was placed on ecmo. That moved me up to level one. That's the most critical. I was officially on the list per se, about three weeks.
David Reynolds (12:21):
How are you notified? "We have a heart." Explain that process a little bit.
Cassidy Magill Evans (12:26):
People who are needing a transplant, there is a whole list of tests and things that you have to go through. They test everything to make sure that once they do this transplant that it's going to work. They have to check your antibodies, they have to match up your blood type with the donor's blood type. That also plays a factor into waiting time is your blood type, my blood type, I'm o positive, so they told me that it could potentially be longer because of my blood type, so they do all these testing and everything to make sure that when they place the heart inside that it's going to work. They did antibody testing and they told me that since I had just had a baby that I may have a lot of antibodies still left in my body from having the baby, so we were nervous about that, but praise the Lord. I had zero antibodies, which is honestly a miracle.
Cassidy Magill Evans (13:17):
Sorry, let me stop. They had to check the blood type and everything and they came into my room. It was like six in the morning. My mom and I were still asleep and they woke me up and I was kind of out of it and they said, I have some good news for you, and she said, I have a heart for you, and I was like, oh my goodness. I was amazed. Honestly, to me it happened so fast. There were people at the hospital that were waiting for a long time, so at six o'clock that morning they told me that that evening that I would be going into surgery. They said about six o'clock, so it was about 12 hours from the time that they told me they had a heart to the time that I was going to go into surgery. I didn't know this at the time either, but I live in Georgia and there's a certain mile radius that they will get organs from for organ donation, but because I was status one on the transplant list, the organ could have come from anywhere in the country. Now I don't know where mine came from
David Reynolds (14:20):
And how long did that surgery take?
Cassidy Magill Evans (14:22):
The only thing I remember is them taking me into the OR and next thing I knew I was asleep. I went into surgery about six that night and then the surgery lasted about 10 hours. I didn't wake up until I think it was like nine something the next morning when I finally came to.
David Reynolds (14:45):
Your heart is removed. There's no heart in you for a while and then as a new heart put in and then they have to restart it.
Cassidy Magill Evans (14:54):
It's so wild to me. They put you on a bypass machine so it's basically keeping your other organs and things, blood pumping through your body, your other organs alive. Honestly, that was kind of scary to think about. I didn't have a heart in my body at that time. It does take a while for the heart to wake up. They said the farther that the heart comes from, the longer that it could take for it to wake up. Thankfully, mine didn't take as long. Now my mother's, hers came from Oklahoma, so hers did take a little bit longer to wake up, but they still have you on medications and IV medications and things like that. After your transplant when you're still waking up to help the heart adjust to its new body and help your body adjust to the new heart.
David Reynolds (15:48):
You've mentioned your children, two of them. You also have other family members, siblings, your parents obviously involved in your transplant and recovery. I've had the pleasure of meeting both of your parents. I've had lunch with your mom a couple of times and talked to your dad a few times. I just would like to hear what you would like to share about them and their support and how that family system makes such a huge difference.
Cassidy Magill Evans (16:12):
My family is very close. I'm one of three girls. I'm the middle girl. We're all very close. We all live within an hour of each other. My parents have been amazing parents growing up and they still are. I call my dad for almost everything. My mom, she stayed at the hospital with me even though she was dealing with her own issues. My sister, my younger sister, she's a nurse and she didn't know a whole lot about the heart situation, not the department that she works in, but she was amazing doing what she could. She would come and stay with me and then wake up and go to work at six o'clock, so she was great to do that. My older sister, she brought stuff to keep me occupied, snacks and all the good stuff and of course my husband, he was great. I also have amazing in-laws.
Cassidy Magill Evans (16:59):
My mother-in-law, she stayed with my kids for all 49 days that I was in the hospital. She stayed at night with them and basically was their live-in mom for a little while. We've also had amazing support from our church, our church family. We really couldn't have gotten through this without them. The Kennedy members of course school that I was working at, they were a great, my husband's also a teacher. He works at a different school and they were amazing as well. Thankfully we've had people step up and help us and be a part of this journey with us.
David Reynolds (17:32):
There's one more relative of yours to mention. You called her grandmother I believe, and I'm speaking of Dr. Allene Magill and I worked with her in Forsyth County in Dalton and then at Page at the Professional Association of Georgia Educators. In each of those places, I had the privilege of interacting with her in various capacities. We went to conferences together. She introduced me to all kinds of people. We made presentations together and she still has a huge influence on public education and as you know, my book Lead Learn Change was dedicated to her and speaking with you. It's just a real great opportunity to hear from an educator who is also Dr. Magill's granddaughter and I call her Dr. Magill because I never could call her Allene. I just couldn’t do it. Start and end wherever you like and tell us about your grandmother and her impact on your life.
Cassidy Magill Evans (18:22):
Yes, my grandmother, she was an amazing lady, so not funny. It's just odd to hear people talk about her in that capacity because to me she was just my grandmother and so I saw her from a different side. Now, I did see her in the professional world too because I remember being really young and going to when she was superintendent in Dalton and going into things with her, we thought it was so cool to dress up like her and go to work with her. I went to the PAGE office with her multiple times and would sit in her office while she was in meetings and I loved going to Jekyll Island with her for the PAGE conference. I wanted to dress up and say, I have to go to a very important meeting because that's what she would call it. That's where she would tell us that she was going to a very important meeting, but she was an amazing lady. I actually did not start out wanting to be an educator when I started college. I actually was a nursing major when I first began college and I remember she was helping pay for my college at the time and I remember telling her, Hey, grandmother, I think I want to switch to education and for some reason I don't know why, but for some reason I thought that that would upset her, but no, she was very proud and I'm one of six grandkids and I'm the only grandkid grandchild that has gone into education.
David Reynolds (19:47):
Is part of the reason you wanted to is because of what you saw her do?
Cassidy Magill Evans (19:51):
Well, yes. I saw the impact that she had and the great things that she's done for education, and so I feel like that had influence on my decision to become an educator. Of course, my granddaddy, her husband as well, Charles, he was also an educator and he would always tell us stories. He would have so many stories of being a principal and things like that. I feel like that, of course, the great teachers that I had too also influenced my decision, but I really feel like my grandmother and Granddaddy had an influence in that as well. When I realized I wasn't going to get to go back because it was the end of the school year, I was going to go back the second week of May and of course the school year ends at the end of May, so I was only going to be back for a couple of weeks, but I was devastated that I wasn't going to be there with that group of children. They were so sweet. They made me all kinds of cards and a huge gift basket of things sent to the hospital with me. I sent them pictures of me opening the things and I feel like my grandmother played a role in that because she was a relationship person and she very much valued relationships with people, and so I still wanted to have that relationship with my students as well, even though I couldn't be there with them at the end of the year.
David Reynolds (21:07):
Did your expectations about what teaching was going to be like differ from what you actually experienced and if yes, in what way?
Cassidy Magill Evans (21:15):
When I began my education career, I really thought that I wanted to be in younger grades. I have an elementary education degree. That's what I thought I wanted to do. I student taught in a fourth grade classroom at Fairmount Elementary and then I got a job in first grade at the same school, so I was really grateful to be able to be at the school that I had student taught at and actually when I was student teaching at Fairmount grandmother and Gail Wooten, we taught Gail, aunt Gail because her and grandmother were best friends, grandmother and Aunt Gail stopped by Fairmount. They surprised me one day and I got called to the office. I thought I was in trouble.
Cassidy Magill Evans (21:52):
But it was just grandmother and Aunt Gail just popping in to say, Hey. They had been somewhere I think in Blue Ridge or something and they had stopped by, but yes, I thought that I wanted to be in younger grades. Grandmother started out in first grade and so I was like, well, I'm going to start out in first grade too. Then I quickly realized first grade was not for me, which is not a bad thing. Everybody has to find their sweet spot and so I moved to middle school and I really loved being in middle school, being in upper grades. I started out in seventh grade. I was in seventh grade for three or four years, four years in seventh grade, and then most recently I was in sixth grade.
David Reynolds (22:30):
What do you think is more important teaching or learning?
Cassidy Magill Evans (22:33):
I don't think either one of them is more important than the other. I feel like that's a trick question. I feel like as an educator you have to be both a teacher and a learner because you're always learning something. Your students can teach you something just like you can teach them, so I feel like that's what makes a great educator is someone who learns from their students, also teaches their students obviously, but learns from them as well.
David Reynolds (23:09):
Sometimes it's the little things that matter a lot. For example, on a driver's license, depending on the states you're in, there might be a checkbox or a symbol or a phrase, organ donor designation, and that way first responders and relatives or medical personnel know if somebody is a donor, so one decision somebody makes today to mark that selection on their license or whatever the document is for their state can really give somebody a new lease on life, somebody that they don't know. What would you tell listeners about organ donation?
Cassidy Magill Evans (23:45):
When I got my learner's license when I was 16, I just checked the box. I was like, well, why not? But obviously recently I've realized that that is so important. It is so important. There's over a hundred thousand people who are waiting on a transplant of some sort and by someone deciding to be an organ donor, they can save multiple lives because there's multiple organs that can be used from one person deciding, Hey, I'm going to do this, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter your age. They look at the quality of the organs, not necessarily how old they are, so even if you're older, you can still be an organ donor. It could help save somebody's life, but saved mine and saved my mom's. My mom's cousin, he actually passed away last January and he was an organ donor, so I've seen both sides of it. He was able to help save three lives from his decision to be an organ owner, and he didn't decide until they looked it up online because his family didn't know that he was an organ donor. It wasn't on his license or anything like that. There's a website you can go to, and he registered online the night of his 50th birthday. It was during Covid and he decided, Hey, I think I'm going to do this. So he was older and he was able to save three lives with his organ donation
David Reynolds (25:09):
And you said you did not know where your heart came from. Your mom's was from Oklahoma. Do you know anything about the identity of the donor themselves or their family or that's also something that you're unaware of?
Cassidy Magill Evans (25:20):
I have the option to reach out to my donor family. They can contact me. I gave them permission to if they wish. At this time, they haven't, which I understand why it's still fresh. It's only been six months, but I have the option to reach out to them and I think I'm going to send a letter this holiday season coming up, so maybe they'll recheck out. I'm not sure. The only thing I know about my heart, because my heart was considered high risk, so my heart had hepatitis C, so they will still do organ donations that have he hepatitis C. They won't do hepatitis A or B, but just C because C is treatable, so I had to be on medication for that and they only had to disclose that information because it's considered high risk. However, if I would've refused to accept the heart, that's considered high risk. There's a possibility that I may not have gotten an offer for another one.
David Reynolds (26:15):
You literally have someone else's heart that's beating inside of you every day. I think people make assumptions about what that's like or maybe what it's not like. Is there anything that you've come to learn or that you would want to convey to people?
Cassidy Magill Evans (26:31):
When I was going through all of this, my best friend, she was like, I wonder if you're going to start taking on qualities like the donor. I don't know. I think that's something that people may think is true and who knows. I don't, but for me, it hasn't been any different now. My mindset has obviously changed. I'm just so incredibly grateful for this person who decided, Hey, I'm going to donate and save somebody's life. That's changed and my physical appearance has changed a little bit just with medications and things like that. Of course, I have scarring and all of that stuff, but I would take that stuff over not being here with my family. That part's changed the mindset, but not really anything physical. Of course, there was a recovery, but after a heart transplant that had me up out of the bed walking 24 hours later.
David Reynolds (27:22):
That's amazing. Do you want to give a shout out to a physician or a medical team or a hospital?
Cassidy Magill Evans (27:27):
Yes. Piedmont Cartersville was where I was first. They were great. Piedmont, Atlanta. They were absolutely amazing. I did not have one single bad nurse or anything like that. The medical team was amazing. They all took great care of me. The Samsky Heart Failure Clinic, that's where I go to the doctor. They're part of Piedmont Atlanta. All of the doctors there, they're so kind and caring. You can tell that they genuinely care for their patients. I feel like they really hated to see me there and they really wanted me to get better and to help me do that. They've been amazing.
David Reynolds (28:08):
Back to teaching real quick, what makes a great teacher a great teacher?
Cassidy Magill Evans (28:12):
There's different characteristics and qualities that make a great teacher. I feel like somebody who is obviously caring. You have to care about your students. You have to care about not just their education and their learning, but also their wellbeing. In the area that I was teaching in, it's kind of a rural area, and so with that comes some poverty and things of that nature. I feel like you have to reach the whole child. You have to take care of their basic needs before you can take care of their cognitive needs because if you don't do that, then they're not going to want to learn or they're not going to learn, and so someone who's caring, someone who's empathetic takes care of them. You have to be passionate about teaching. If you're not passionate about it, then you're going to be miserable. You have to be passionate about learning, being a lifelong learner, someone who's always wanting to learn. Like I said before, students are going to teach you stuff just like you're going to teach them things, so you have to be willing to learn from them. Some things you might not want to learn from them, but you have to be willing to learn from them.
David Reynolds (29:21):
Favorite teacher or teachers?
Cassidy Magill Evans (29:23):
Yes. I had Matt Fox. He is now assistant principal in the district that I was working in. He was my seventh grade social studies teacher. I was a new student in seventh grade at that school, and he made being a new student just getting there, he was very welcoming to me. And then Becky Reynolds, she was my 10th or ninth grade physics teacher. She later became my assistant principal when I was at Red Blood.
David Reynolds (29:51):
I spent time with Becky in her classroom during some conferences, and I've met Matt as well, so I know both of those people. Is there anything else you'd like to add?
Cassidy Magill Evans (30:00):
I just want to reemphasize how grateful I am for this whole experience. Going through a transplant is not something that was on my 2024 bucket list. Absolutely, but it did happen, and I'm just grateful to be here today. I'm grateful for my donor. I'm grateful for their family. I think of them often and pray for them. Pray for the family often. I hope one day I'm able to meet them.
David Reynolds (30:26):
Hope you do.
Cassidy Magill Evans (30:26):
See what the future holds. Yes.
David Reynolds (30:28):
Thank you very much, Cassidy, for sharing your story with us. Take care. Have a great day, and say hey to your parents for me.
Cassidy Magill Evans (30:34):
Yes, I will. Absolutely. Thank you so much for this opportunity.
David Reynolds (30:39):
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